It was made from the same slab of birch plywood, but it didn’t have as many layers of tung oil. Difference in Toxicity. Butyl Acetate, Nitrocellulose, Trimethyl Pentanyl Diisobutyrate, Isopropyl Alcohol, Adipic Acid/Neopentyl Glycol/Trimellitic Anhdride Copolymer, Alcohol Denat, Sucrose Acteate isobutyrate, Acrylates Copolymer, Benzophenone-1, Water, CI 17200, CI 42090, CI 60725 BCC12-Base. I use a magnetic stirring gizmo. People also seem to use some kind of oil to lubricate the applicator and that seems like a good idea – I tore a hole through my sock applicator. Could it be that it is 70% ?? Isopropyl alcohol is more effective at removing stains from wood furniture. I have invested in Shellac but cannot find ANY isopropyl alcohol in my town whatsoever! When I was looking into tung oil I learned that there are two kinds of tung oil. Choose the right solution for your purposes and always use care, as both can damage wood if you don't use them properly. Drinking methanol tends to send people blind. Condition nails with SolarOil Nail & Cuticle Care. Denatured alcohol is a type of alcohol that has something added to prevent people from drinking it. It is usually sold in drug stores in a concentration of 70% by volume because it is antiseptic at that concentration. Alcohol is a natural substance that manufacturers can chemically adjust for a variety of purposes. Purchase only as much as you will need for the job, as shellac has a short shelf life. Alternatives are Isopropyl Alcohol (isopropanol or rubbing alcohol, the 99% pure version), Methyl Hydrate (methanol or wood alcohol), Ethyl Alcohol (ethanol or grain alcohol), or in a pinch, Mineral Spirits. Copyright © U-Beaut Enterprises 1999 - 2016. The steps are simple and as follows: Take a dropper or pour a few drops of the alcohol to the nail polish you want to thin out. 4.Apply a thin coat of white CND Shellac Color Coat to the tips of the nails, in an arched smile line to flatter the nail shape. 91% won’t work because it has too much water in it. Shellac wax is made up of long-chain esters of monovalent alcohols and acids. Rubbing alcohol is isopropyl alcohol. Any redistribution or reproduction of part or all of the contents in any form is prohibited other than the following: ♦ you may print or download to a local hard disk extracts for your personal and non-commercial use only ♦ you may copy the content to individual third parties for their personal use,  but only if you acknowledge Woodwork Forums as the source of the material. Lacquer thinner may be an appropriate choice if you are looking to thin epoxy. or I'm not entirely sure how methanol is produced, but importantly methanol is poisonous which is why it is mixed with a bittering agent to make it taste horrible. I think it did, because the oil seeped into the wood, but this was my first time using tung oil, so who knows. I believe it’s Shellite, same as Colemans Stove Fuel. 3. The food grade shellac coating is insoluble in stomach acid. You crush the flakes and mix them with alcohol. The water will cause the shellac to turn white, or “blush.”. It doesn’t seem to make a difference when French polishing, and even with a brush it barely changes the color of the wood. Nor may you transmit it or store it in any other website or other form of electronic retrieval system. It does not dry instantly as denatured alcohol even though it may appear dry on the surface but smear your finger or even a rag over the … Remove in 60 seconds. My understanding is that the citrus solvent will work to counter the smell, so if you were to use tung oil on something that needs to be food safe, it’s a good idea to use citrus solvent. Here are a few before and after pictures. That is one pound of shellac per 1 gallon of Everclear. So instead I went the route of French polishing, which is really not as hard as people make it sound. The best way is to apply it in an area where no sunlight can come in. And I’ve put a lot of dye into that shellac! No one seemed to be able to answer whether it’s fine to use it with shellac, so I went ahead and mixed a small amount and the answer is YES, it’s fine to use 99% isopropyl alcohol to mix shellac. But it is made poisonous so it can be sold without liquor taxes. The regulating agencies responsible for this removal are the Air Quality Management District (AQMD) and the South Coast Air Quality Management District (SCAQMD), the five counties around Los Angeles. Rubbing Alcohol Rubbing alcohol. As you can see, it’s orange and yellow and the edges look burnt. I think some finishes and some woods don’t work well together, meaning that the finish brings unattractive colors out of the wood. Shellac will dissolve in any alcohol, including watery alcohol, but if you don't know and can't reproduce the solvent mix, you'll get pretty unpredictable results. Several thinner coats are easier to manage than trying to apply thicker coats. The wood looked unnaturally yellow and orange, and the grain popped out but in a weird and unflattering way. 91% Isopropyl Alcohol with a few drops of retarder. It doesn’t look as bad in the first three pictures with the oil on, but in the last one, which was taken under a lower light, it looks pretty bad, but even that is quite flattering. 2. (I got my flakes from shellac.net). Re: Thinning Shellac Mike, If my memory of some rather long-ago chemistry classes has not totally failed me, methyl hydrate is a common name for methyl alcohol It is methane (natural gas) with one hydrogen replaced by a "hydrate" group, or simply, an -OH group. Notice the little shelf in the bottom of the last picture. No. Although isopropyl alcohol is classified as a toxic substance, meaning that it is dangerous to consume and behaves as a mild skin irritant, it is mostly safe to use. Remove the top film with a plastic-backed, lint-free pad saturated with 99% isopropyl alcohol. It also contains a small amount of hydrocarbons and about 1% lactic acid [61,62]. Nas99 or can be bought anywhere where they sell 99% isopropyl alcohol. To make a '1 Pound Cut', mix 4 Oz. Registering will also stop those annoying popup link ads from Although isopropyl alcohol is classified as a toxic substance, meaning that it is dangerous to consume and behaves as a mild skin irritant, it is mostly safe to use. The lady at the chemist said they are not allowed to sell it and I have tried hardware stores etc without any luck. I have been doing Shellac manicures and I have found that after I do the top coat and wipe with 70% isopropyl alcohol, it still looks dull and uneven. After heating of the cocoon-like secretions until the liquification, it’s strained and cooled in thin sheets. appearing. These are the smaller alcohols in the series with two or three carbons. I use a 1lb cut and I really like it because it’s so thin. Mixed with shellac, it will produce a serviceable finish. Methanol is poisonous, and drinking it can lead to blindness, severe illness, or death. You can clean the surface of woods to be stained easily with any of these solvents, and because it dries quickly, it’s a speedy method of wood cleaning. If you have access to 95-to-100 percent pure propanol or isopropyl alcohol, you could use it for thinning without a problem. Sometimes it is known as “Methylated spirits” or “wood alcohol”. ... To brush shellac successfully you want to flow on thin coats. Denatured alcohol is ethyl alcohol, or ethane (a two carbon molecule, as you surely know with some toxins added by … This was a surprise because I tested the oil on a scrap piece and it looked find, but I guess I underestimated what it would look like on the whole thing. It is very important to think about the solvent used to dissolve the shellac. It was practically black! Isopropyl Alcohol 100% or Denatured Alcohol for Shellac? Oil based paints thin with mineral spirits while denatured alcohol is used to thin shellac and “spirit varnishes”, these are not interchangeable. One of the least toxic of solvents or cleaners, but good ventilation is as always still necessary. However, I saw a video of Paul Sellers applying stained shellac, and his looked pretty thick (and also heavily tinted), so if you’re after staining shellac, a thick cut would be a good place to start. Isopropyl rubbing alcohol is no good for thinning shellac because it contains about 30% water. By abitfishy in forum NOTHING AT ALL TO DO WITH WOODWORK, By karlkuehn in forum WOODTURNING - PEN TURNING, By weisyboy in forum WOODTURNING - GENERAL. That’s why I went for the real tung oil which is made of safe materials. Diggers also produced a "Stove Fuel" which was nearer to 100% Ethanol, but I can no longer find it listed on their site. All rights reserved. Seal the free edge and apply a layer of CND Shellac Luxe Top Coat to all five nails. I should mention that this post is not about which finish is better as much as it is about my experience with each one. The higher the shellac ratio, the thicker the solution will be. Mixing shellac is very simple. It’s all the same, different packaging. The varnish tung oil is fine, but it’s made of chemicals that are toxic, and if you can’t finish outside or in a well ventilated shop, then you really shouldn’t use it. For those who don't know Everclear is grain alcohol that can be bought in a liquor in the US. 99% isopropyl alcohol is a good substitute but its drying time is longer than denatured alcohol. IF "Metho" is an abbreviation for methanol -- it is not ethanol (although ethanol plus a bittering agent is mostly sold as "metho"). Sometimes it is known as “Methylated spirits” or “wood alcohol”. Denatured alcohol is a general alcohol-based solvent used for a variety of applications across many industries. I used to be an engineer, I'm not an engineer any more, but on the really good days I can remember when I was. I promised to write about Shellac and tung Oil after I finished my rack (the first one), so here it is. To cut a lengthy story short, Isopropyl is great for beginners who want to apply shellac with a brush. But mineral spirit would not do so. Staining shellac seems to be something that people do, but it hasn’t worked for me. Unlike denatured alcohol, IPA is toxic in itself. The Zinsser product, which is available everyone, is fine. Most people use denatured alcohol, but since it’s toxic, I decided to look into 99% isopropyl alcohol. Ethanol is also called grain alcohol is the only type of alcohol that can be safely consumed. 32 oz = $ 17 at your local hardware store. You must It’s not a clear, hard finish that comes between the wood and the environment, so think of what you’re making, its application, and whether or not tung oil would work for it. Then, it is reconstructed with denatured alcohol. I would like to know why using metho with water in it works with no adverse affect since there is so much emphasis on using IMS100? It has to be 99% IPA, though. Unlike denatured alcohol, IPA is toxic in itself. In Australia, Shellite and naphtha are one and the same. Denatured alcohol is a type of alcohol that has something added to prevent people from drinking it. in 1/4 gallon). Now, I hear it again and I wonder if I’m the one who has been fed all these years of rubbish. Follow with CND® SHELLAC® Top Coat. I could not locate a retail outlet in San Diego for 99% isopropyl alcohol. At the same time, a coat or two of tung oil could be nice to use under another finish just to give the wood a bit of a color and help the grain pop. THIS IS YOUR FIRST VISIT - PLEASE NOTE: You may not, except with our express written permission, distribute or commercially exploit the content. #14 Laurie on 12.23.12 at 10:20 pm You have to apply shellac away from any type of UV light because that is what cures the shellac. Apply the top coat. You can always thin out pre-made shellac by adding denatured alcohol. I wasn’t happy with the way the finish turned out. Just a note, but Isopropyl alcohol is quite toxic in comparison to ethyl alcohol (ethanol), as is methyl alcohol (methanol). This website and its content is copyright of U-Beaut Enterprises. Absolute isopropyl alcohol may only be available with a permit. Cure for one minute in the CND LED Lamp. Fewer layers of tung oil will result in the piece looking less orange and yellow – just look at the rack vs. the shelf. It is called "rubbing" alcohol because it has a smooth, almost oily, feel when rubbed on the skin. Most people use denatured alcohol, but since it’s toxic, I decided to look into 99% isopropyl alcohol. Previously I got Mr. … Summary. Just remember that commercial "metho" can contain up to 50% water. While many prefer a “two-pound cut,” I prefer to apply more thin coats than a few thick coats. Rubbing alcohol is either isopropyl alcohol or ethanol-based liquids, or the comparable British Pharmacopoeia (BP) defined surgical spirit, with isopropyl alcohol products being the most widely available.Rubbing alcohol is denatured and undrinkable even if it is ethanol-based, due to the bitterants added.. Alcohol is used as shellac thinner. In fact, you can dissolve shellac flakes in alkaline water (hat … That’s what happened with the tung oil and Baltic birch. This means that while it’ll protect (and seal, I think) the wood, you will still be able to feel the grain underneath. I’ve heard this before from an old timer who used to work as a finisher back in his day, and I dismissed it as rubbish. In England, the term, methylated spirits, sounds like methanol. I got the idea to finish my rack in tung oil from a friend who builds Dietz cabs out of baltic birch ply and uses tung oil to finish them. STEP 2: Test your mixture on a scrap wood. This is where denatured alcohol vs. isopropyl alcohol comes in. Thinned shellac is recommended for sealer coats. No one seemed to be able to answer whether it’s fine to use it with shellac, so I went ahead and mixed a small amount and the answer is YES, it’s fine to use 99% isopropyl alcohol to mix shellac. Denatured Alcohol. It would also thin shellac, which is why it’s often referred to as shellac thinner. Denatured alcohol is used for thinning shellac and cleaning brushes used to apply shellac. Honestly, I’m not sure it did. It also helped when I moved the rack to the basement. Probably even one minute. Isopropyl alcohol, or rubbing alcohol, is primarily used as a disinfectant and is also toxic to drink. 5. As far as application: I tried applying shellac with a brush and it’s a pain, mostly because I get brush marks on the wood and can’t seem to apply it evenly. Edit: Shellac dries to the touch within minutes. Detail with the Brisa™ ProSeries Gel Brush dipped in 99% Isopropyl Alcohol (IPA) to perfect the smile line. Denatured alcohol is critical for dissolving shellac flakes and for thinning liquid shellac to reduce brush marks and orange peel. The solution should be kept in a plastic or glass container, but not metal. *when used as directed Ingredients. Water will slow the evaporation rate. 32 oz 91% + 16 oz 70% + 10 oz lacquer thinner + 2 drops of retarder. of dry shellac flake into 1 quart of denatured alcohol (1/4 lb. It does not dry instantly as denatured alcohol even though it may appear dry on the surface but smear your finger or even a rag over the brushed surface you’ll see that’s still very much wet. Chris Schwarz in short uses Everclear to dissolve the shellac flakes as opposed to denatured alcohol for reason being that everclear dissolves the flakes completely while the latter doesn't. For finish coats, thin 1 part 4-pound shellac with 2 parts alcohol. I let my rack dry for a long weekend, and after that I was able to put stuff on it and it was fine. Kind of like tung oil, there’s the stuff you buy at the store or you can mix your own. So I just ordered alcohol from a beauty website and it has just arrived, but the bottle says that it is only 70% The cut refers to how many pounds of shellac flake are dissolved in a gallon of alcohol. Use denatured alcohol to thin shellac; use alcohol or ammonia for cleanup. The one I bought is made by Real Milk Paint, and I really recommend them if you’re looking for actual tung oil. I use a cheesecloth wrapped in cotton fabric (old sock, old t-shirt), I get a bunch of shellac on it and rub it on the wood in circular motion. D4581B59-42D6-4CE5-8C02-939BA38F00DE.jpeg, Where to get 100% denatured absolute alcohol. Shellac can be used over any stain except alcohol-base types and over any filler. Shake to blend. Best solvent for shellac is and always has been ethanol alcohol, not methanol alcohol. I didn’t let my shelf dry for more than a day, and after that long weekend it had marks all over it. They recommend using citrus solvent to thin their oil, but being a cheapskate I thought maybe 99% isopropyl would work, and they were positive that it would. I don’t think the motion matters as much, and I’ve seen people go in straight lines; the important thing is to make sure you never leave the applicator in one spot because it’ll stick and mess up the finish. participate. In a different light and with some shellac. There’s a handy chart here that helps you through the math for smaller portions. It can also be used to remove light pencil marks on wood. In fact, you won’t see a difference after the first application or two, but it’s worth it because it looks really nice and even at the end. I actually got woozy from applying it at home even with the windows open. Keep in mind that tung oil has a really strong smell. I wouldn’t hesitate to use tung oil on a cutting board, wood bowl, wooden spoon, etc. Difference in Toxicity. It’s also important to keep in mind that tung oil is, well, an oil. Any concentration less than 95% or 99% (depending on how strict you wish to be) is not usable with shellac because even the small water content produces a cloudy residue that will spoil a shellac finish. No. One kind is really a varnish, like Fromby’s tung oil, or any other kind of tung oil you can get at the hardware store. The shelf looks better because it didn’t have as many applications of oil. Then I read the GHS document for their shellac and god really scared, so I decided to get flakes and mix my own shellac. Derek said that he’s always mixed flakes with metho from Bunnings, which we all know contains a certain percentage of water. In An Instant Your Life Can Change Forever. It also comes on too thick. #15 Dee on 04.06.13 at 7:08 pm Also some of the colors look uneven after i'm done, I recently got the color "gotcha" and it with 2 coats i can still see some streaks. Most people simply use commercially available “denatured” alcohol. I’d like to elaborate on that. It’s a bit thick (I think it’s a 3lb cut), but worse they put a lot of stuff in it that’s harmful, so again it’s not a great idea to use Zinsser shellac inside and without ventilation. Various types of food-grade shellac arrive from pharmaceutical glaze which is an alcohol-based solution. The ratio is determined by the kind of cut you want. mix 5 parts 70% Isopropyl Alcohol with 2 parts 99% Isopropyl Alcohol to achieve 91%; plus a few drops of retarder (why mix if you find it straight?) It’s a nut-like smell, but it’s really strong and our apartment smelled like it for a while until I washed the floors a couple of times and kept airing out the place. You can, of course, easily thin down a thick shellac. To cut a lengthy story short, Isopropyl is great for beginners who want to apply shellac with a brush. Route of French polishing, which is really not as hard as people make sound... 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